tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post4422085778328604583..comments2023-09-06T01:06:28.286-07:00Comments on Darkfall leaks: Leaked Darkfall NDA....In all its ball breaking goodness!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-91293871755145931752009-01-11T18:56:00.000-08:002009-01-11T18:56:00.000-08:00Really hope that serious action isn't taken agains...Really hope that serious action isn't taken against the leaker. Aventurine knew that it was going to happen, making an example won't do anything except diminish their reputation. Gamers will always find ways to leak beta info, it's an unwritten rule that gamers have to.<BR/><BR/>Plus the leaked info only goes toward hyping the game even further.dabouncahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925098050073441316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-77639250628004029462009-01-09T16:10:00.000-08:002009-01-09T16:10:00.000-08:00Probably because his name is Greek and is translat...Probably because his name is Greek and is translated it more than one way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461197211082779120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-79531655320181848652009-01-09T15:58:00.000-08:002009-01-09T15:58:00.000-08:00How come on the "NDA" the VP's first name is spell...How come on the "NDA" the VP's first name is spelled "Spiros" but after a quick Google search, his name is actually spelled "Spyros?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>This has shady written all over it.....Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17166976054722265461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-30703402659035780572009-01-09T08:07:00.000-08:002009-01-09T08:07:00.000-08:00tv-shows like Survivor and Big brother has contrac...tv-shows like Survivor and Big brother has contracts so they cant talk about the show for a year after it first airs (in denmark at least).. and they have a fixed date way before the show starts.. so since DF launch date is only some months old and that NDA is probably older i dont really think 5 years is that strangestepawayfromthefirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04310741173880149660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-33905935706296193082009-01-08T11:42:00.000-08:002009-01-08T11:42:00.000-08:00Simple. Just advise leakers to not leak screensho...Simple. Just advise leakers to not leak screenshots or videos. That sort of leaking is always lackluster for me anyhow. I want to get INFO about the game. Leakers, just submit lots of info, eff screenshots.Mournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06342176132447983980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-27019521258510892172009-01-08T11:00:00.000-08:002009-01-08T11:00:00.000-08:00What email do I send this NDA to once I have fille...What email do I send this NDA to once I have filled it out?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06674218336886576113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-89189972699611112012009-01-08T10:40:00.000-08:002009-01-08T10:40:00.000-08:00You should be looking up the details of contracts ...You should be looking up the details of contracts from Greece, and how they are applied overseas. US contract laws are irrelevant.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461197211082779120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-54758306710071915152009-01-08T10:29:00.000-08:002009-01-08T10:29:00.000-08:00@DennisNo, beta testing a game is not considered t...@Dennis<BR/><BR/>No, beta testing a game is not considered to be a payment, for that I'm 100% certain. It's actually the opposite, it is considered a work you do for a company, and in this case you're doing it for free. As a sidenote, the sum of money they paid you would have to be at least a minimum wage, so 1$ wouldn't do it. If they could prove that someone paid these guys for leaking, then that would do too.trollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194130204740974604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-1411217431793929782009-01-08T10:22:00.000-08:002009-01-08T10:22:00.000-08:00Easy reason for 5 year silence: suppose something ...Easy reason for 5 year silence: suppose something bad happened in beta, like a technical flaw is revealed, or there was some bad practice by the company. This could hurt the company, conceivably, say 3 years later if someone were to say "OMG, back in beta, they did *this*!" or "Guess what, this system is implemented like *this*!"<BR/><BR/>Why take that chance? Who cares what other companies have used for NDAs?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461197211082779120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-474502376078640772009-01-08T10:16:00.000-08:002009-01-08T10:16:00.000-08:00you know some fair spin on this because my negativ...you know some fair spin on this because my negativity, but if someone is in beta could they REQUEST the permissions to maybe write a review or 2 about the game like Gianna is? I mean it would be worth a shot right?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335055026859606051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-83546667076704882022009-01-08T09:55:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:55:00.000-08:00"consideration or something of value"is a very vag..."consideration or something of value"<BR/><BR/>is a very vague term. What constitutes value or consideration?<BR/><BR/>Being able to beta test a game ahead of time could be considered valuable. I'm sure there are people that would pay money for a beta account. And people don't seem to be willing to sell them which means they must consider them valuable. <BR/><BR/>Legal terms are always open ended and up for discussion for this very reason.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331383632927012562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-64190104108647698602009-01-08T09:52:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:52:00.000-08:00The ability for them to sue is easy. The ability ...The ability for them to sue is easy. The ability to have them collect if you live outside the country is next to impossible. And I doubt the US would extradite you to Greece due to a violation of the NDA.JesseJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04445119664752667435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-89906141938845281592009-01-08T09:46:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:46:00.000-08:00Here's something I found about Agreements:"For an ...Here's something I found about Agreements:<BR/><BR/>"For an agreement to be legal and binding, it must have some form of consideration. This means that all parties involved must receive consideration or something of value. Otherwise, it is considered a gift rather than a contract."<BR/><BR/>Link: http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/contracts-agreements/731-1.htmltrollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194130204740974604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-40184931964524503882009-01-08T09:34:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:34:00.000-08:00@DennisInside EU (includes Greece) it's not unusua...@Dennis<BR/><BR/>Inside EU (includes Greece) it's not unusual to have a 10 year of silence in NDA. And I do mean NDA's, not EULAs or TOSs lol. NDAs are usually written between business partners or between an employer and an employee, in both cases money changes owners so there's definately a compensation involved. But like I said, I'm not 100% certain of this.trollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194130204740974604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-81607434944619806302009-01-08T09:29:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:29:00.000-08:00shit Blizzard's TOS and EULA allowed them to sue t...shit Blizzard's TOS and EULA allowed them to sue the makers of glider for millions... they hold up it's just some things are not worth the time involved to actually go through wit hit(like gold farmers, to many people do it to really combat the market).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335055026859606051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-22749073450463782932009-01-08T09:25:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:25:00.000-08:00@TrollerThe 5 year silence is usually only see in ...@Troller<BR/><BR/>The 5 year silence is usually only see in NDA's for government related contracts. At least from what I've seen here in the states.<BR/><BR/>Beta tests this far in the game stage don't generally need a 5 year silence. Aventurine employees that started even a year ago, sure they might need to be sworn to silence because they know more about the engine and game code.<BR/><BR/>Beta testers don't know enough information to do any harm. And with the game (supposedly) so close to release I can't see any reason why they'd need to stay quiet for 5 years.<BR/><BR/>Finally, for your point about the NDA not holding any weight, I don't know if I agree. Generally NDA's are fairly solid if a company actually decides to persue it. Things like EULA and TOS for games generally don't hold up in court so maybe thats what you were thinking.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331383632927012562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-23077223733403495812009-01-08T09:23:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:23:00.000-08:00I'm no lawyer, but unless the testers got some sor...I'm no lawyer, but unless the testers got some sort of compensation (money) from their work (betatesting) or someone paid them good money for leaking, then I don't think Aventurine can win any court case with this NDA.<BR/>My Google-fu failed me on this, hard to find any 100% sure answer to this, someone with more time can sort this out.<BR/><BR/>Btw, that 5 years of silence is a usual thing in NDA's.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for double post.trollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194130204740974604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-1782480255875066962009-01-08T09:21:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:21:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.trollerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06194130204740974604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-90830218252772747032009-01-08T09:17:00.000-08:002009-01-08T09:17:00.000-08:00I'm guessing if there are about 2000 players in be...I'm guessing if there are about 2000 players in beta even if they're all on at the same time it is probably fairly trivial to find the person posting screen shots. <BR/><BR/>In one of the older pictures he didnt blur his minimap or anything.<BR/><BR/>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SwWbDIE91kw/SWQCO7Ydq5I/AAAAAAAABvc/UZRZaE_iFqI/s1600-h/darkfall3ei2.jpg<BR/><BR/>this newest picture here, I have his location on the minimap, I have the timestap in the logs, and I have the character race, gender and th fact that he was fighting a goblin scout. The original dragon picture even had his ping giving a rough estimate of how far he is from the servers.<BR/><BR/>That would be more than enough information to track down that player/account posted it if they have at least some crude form of logging.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Id say the best way to avoid getting caught is to probably turn off all of the interface and take a picture from first person mode. That should cut down on any of the information they can use from the screenshots alone. <BR/><BR/>As for hidden pixles or anything else hidden in the images, I doubt its anything that crazy, that would make it to hard for them. However, if they do have an ingame screenshot key I wouldn't be surprised if it had some sort of exif data (I think thats the term I'm looking for)<BR/><BR/>Looking at the dragon picture I can see that picasa 3.0 was used. probably by the blog owner to resize it, however it means that they could encode something in there.<BR/><BR/>Summary:<BR/>if you're taking screen shots<BR/>*Turn off ALL of the interface<BR/>*Go to first person mode<BR/>*Use printscreen and paste it to paintUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331383632927012562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-12089940598563403352009-01-08T08:30:00.000-08:002009-01-08T08:30:00.000-08:00just add a little blur effekt with photoshopjust add a little blur effekt with photoshopUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00448239396592105393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-53159198860194600012009-01-08T08:03:00.000-08:002009-01-08T08:03:00.000-08:00After more thinking another way may be to take a s...After more thinking another way may be to take a screenshot, and overlay it over itself a few times with each screen offset a few pixels to the left/right/up/down/diagonal. it would create a strange effect ie: think of stereo imaging (if anyone is familiar with the method). but this should also help the hidden element (assuming they are hiding the players id in just a few pixels of space).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06860996974618774729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-73204452214292535462009-01-08T07:47:00.000-08:002009-01-08T07:47:00.000-08:00if you wanna be absolutely sure you do not include...if you wanna be absolutely sure you do not include any hidden elements in the pixels from the screenshots you take, just use a digital camera from a distance and take photos of the screen. most people will not appreciate this method, but it's better than nothing and should leave any hidden identifiable elements in the screens undiscernable...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06860996974618774729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-10055762178074391482009-01-08T07:44:00.000-08:002009-01-08T07:44:00.000-08:00What I'm saying why was the need for a 5 year vow ...What I'm saying why was the need for a 5 year vow of silence when the devs where suppose to release the game in 2008 initially? I mean 6 months I can see but 5 years?<BR/><BR/>It's like they are hiding something. I'm sorry if that does not spark any sort of doubt in your mind, but it did mine.<BR/><BR/>Launch will be delayed I'm pretty sure of it now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335055026859606051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-50732016812415272652009-01-08T06:28:00.000-08:002009-01-08T06:28:00.000-08:00there is no next matt. its 5 years after beta/rele...there is no next matt. its 5 years after beta/releaseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423327218789546621.post-83610407551640932372009-01-08T06:25:00.000-08:002009-01-08T06:25:00.000-08:00matt what are you talking aboutmatt what are you talking aboutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com